There is alot of discussion on ZPI, or has been since most of the old posts can't be carried over, about the .22 caliber and its effectiveness in different environments. I would like to keep the discussion based on factual representation, so be prepared to site sources for claims.
Before we start a discussion, I invite you to watch some of these very interesting youtube videos I found pertaining to the 22 round's ballistic characteristics.
Ballistics Gel tests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEDo_PbAvJc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GwRgIpbflA&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_jEfcszqcQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6exXXsf5XII
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0jCg8Ymuo&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO_TLCXNCro
Other Material tests:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOB8mp_cmgs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbEKKXU4bLo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEqAx2SB4DA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU-MvYIRAHk&feature=related
Discussion Begin!


I am an avid fan of the 22LR round specifically. My favorite gun in the world is my Ruger 10/22. Not only because it was my first, but where with most guns I aim for center mass, with this one i can draw smiley faces. Like I did last time at the range with SOD. On a personal level I have a respect for the 22lr round because of what I did to a younger alligator snapping turtle on a trip the white river bottoms in Arkansas. It was a long shot, but the turtle was toast and then some. Lake has a bounty on them and if you collect the body the poor cotton hands will cook it up for their families.
As far as combat, I'd grab my 10/22 before any of my other firearms. It doesn't pack a huge punch, but it doesn't really need too. Aside from a few ridiculous rifle rounds and possibly a 12ga in the perfect circumstance, no bullet will take a person off their feet or drop them instantly to the ground. On goblins, trolls and ilk of that sort, the 22 is a maiming round. It does alot of damage for a small round and my EMT friends told be that its better to be shot with anything other than a 22. They have a tendency to travel at odd angles in the body causing massive injury to organs. On Zeds and Zulus I'd use it too. When sniping I can hit an eye or a nose reliably regardless of wind at up to 50 yards. There is no guarantee a bullet of any caliber will penetrate a skull or spine 100% of the time, so even though it could id rather not risk it. Anything beyond 100 yards isn't a target for me even though I can shoot further.
As far as space allocation for ammo, I can fit 300 CCI 22lr rounds in the same space as 1 box of 50-.40S&W. It is difficult to carry more than 1000 rounds of most other ammunition. Beyond a zombie apocalypse a 22 is great for small to medium game, easily silenced, and is great for practicing fundamentals.
I have 3 .22 lr firearms in my personal collection. I like .22 lr as a versatile round for training, small game, and plinking. It can be a great survival round also.
I have an upgraded Ruger 10/22, a Smith and Wesson 22A and an old Marlin bolt action .22 rifle.
I am going to add a scope to the 10/22 which I just got; it has no fixed sights, but does have an heavy bull barrell and an upgraded wood stock. I have owned one 10/22 or another and everyones should have one. They shoot straight and are reliable as hell.
I "like" my 22A, but it is a target/plinking gun. It has a 7 inch barrell so it it very front heavy. I'm thinking about selling it and getting a Ruger 22/45. I'd also like to get a Sig Mosquito, or something else in .22 LR that shoots more like a larger caliber service weapon. Several companies, like Chiappa and Puma are making 1911s in dedicated .22 lr.
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Sorry for the double post, but I wish Glock made a .22lr!
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
I have been playing around with the Ruger-22/. Awesome gun, but I can't decide on that or the Mark3 bull barrel. I'm leaning towards the Mark3, but the nice thing about the 22/45 is it really does feel like a 1911 in your hand, weight aside. The grip and angle and seat all feel pretty identical. Which is why I'm leaning towards the Mark3, I can never get a feel for a 1911.
By the way Nixdad how did those stingers run? I was planning on getting a few packs, just wondering if its worth the extra funds as a JIC round.
Bun-
The 9mm was $17.00 for 20 rounds, the .45 ACP was about $20.00, and the 5.56 was $ 19.00. All in all, just a bit pricey for a lime green polymer tip.
They are a "novelty" round, absoloutely, and I haven't actually shot any of them, nor am I likely to until the EOTWAWKI.
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
$399.00 suggested MSRP! Pardon the Bible reference; no offense intended!
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/index.html
Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
.22 is a great little round no doubt. Lets be clear though aside from .25 acp and other .22 caliber low power variants I would probably like to have just about any other round in the world for self defense. Yes the ammo is cheap but that means you usually see a relatively large amount of defective rounds compared to other calibers. Yes it light in weight but it is also light in power. The .22 has its place (light work) it just needs to be kept there until all other avenues have been exhausted.
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While that is mostly true, the price you spend on ammo usually reflects the quality. High end 22lr, and 22win rounds especially have as few misfires as comparable rounds of different calibers. If you cycle trash through your gun expect trashy results. Since 1996 I've never had a misfire or faulty CCI round. I've shot well over 5000 of those buggers and I've never had a single one stall fire, non fire, drop fire or incomplete burn. Now Remmington, Winchester, Federal, and some other bargain bottom ammo I've used has had those issues. Especially Remmington, which also happens to misfeed constantly.
If only the 22 pistols were cheaper I would have one for every load out. The ammo is cheap, the guns not so much.
I have never had a problem with cci either, I have had problems with four out of five .22 caliber firearms I have owned though. Broken firing pins,mechanical failures and jams seem to be the theme with .22s, especially semiautomatics. If I could do it all again I would forego the semiautomatic .22s and stick to bolt guns and revolvers.
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I really want a 22/22win-mag swapable double/single revolver. sadly they start around $400 for low rated ones and are often more expensive than more useful guns like .38/.357s by the ssame companies.
I love the .22 round. I agree mostly with Bunni's first reply post. I do take issue with two of the linked videos as shooting coconuts is little more than a parlor trick. Honestly, you can drop them with no force and crack them rather easily, though it is fun to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBldrPmgPs
I am just going to throw this idea out there, you can get a Browning Buckmark .22 Pistol for about 250 dollars. That's well less than 400. The factory magazines for it run for about 30 bucks so that's something to keep in mind. It doesn't have the magazine catch that is standard on the Ruger Mark III series so the magazine will fall free and simulates real pistol action if you are using it as a trainer. Just something to consider.
On the 10/22, I have one and want another, maybe two. :)
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